ENgliS compared to Soundspel:  Plus other alt. transcriptions

Boeree Correspondence Chart
There are  two systems developed by Dr. Boeree.  They are related but they are not identical.
No magic e, multe = multy.  vere=very,

Boeree's system is slightly positional.  terminal forms are sometimes different than medial.
fail-day-air, mét-me-very,
Not clear about how the unstressed syllables are handled.  herder murder...

This is the point that I tried unsuccessfully to make last Jan. when I was in Chile that despite the numerous varieties of spoken Spanish there is but one written model. Same goes even more so for Italian which I have been told is divided into more than 300 dialects. Standard Italian is only used when in formal settings, reading the news, or between individuals from different dialect areas, i.e. across dialect boundaries.

My second thought is about how to teach PG English. When teaching ESL I simply mark the long vowels with a colon a: e: i: o: u: and put silent letters in parenthesis; lam(b), co:m(b) &c. Then when the
students are exposed to written text they need only recognize the same words without the parens.

When is the R pronounced in British RP?

We pronounce it when it's followed by a vowel with no pause.
If the vowel is on the following word it's called linking 'r' - Red, shaRing, shaRe and shaRe alike.

Some people even have intrusive 'r's between vowels: drawRing

We don't pronounce it if it's followed by a consonant: BArD, FOUr DAYS

Phonemes Explained

Difficult Words to Transcribe

These words look easy but the pronunciation isn't.

Tradspl  srs4g  Ingliz   Spanglish   Webster
> kids - kidz - kids - kidz - kidz
> six - siks - six - siks - siks
> hawk - hawk - hok - hawk/hok  - hôk
> auto - awtó - öto - awto/oto  - ôto
  Otto                Aato/Oto
> children - childrin - children - childran - childrøn
> on - awn - ön - awn/on - ôn
> fog - fawg - fög -
> hog - hawg - hög -
> dog - dawg - dög -
> mother - muthur - muðr - muther - mûðør
> park - park - park -
> log - lawg - lög -
> bog - bog - bög
> pod - pod - pöd
 

minimal pairs for /A:/ v /Q/ for RP

aft oft
baas boss
balm bomb
brass Bros
calf cough
Cali collie
calmer comma
Calne con
can't cont
cast cost
castes costs
casting costing
castings costings
craft croft
crafts crofts
daft doffed
faster foster
Ghana gonna
glass gloss
glassed glossed
glasses glosses
glassier glossier
glassiest glossiest
glassing glossing
glassy glossy
Graz grots
hasp Hosp
impassable impossible
khaki cocky
khans cons
lakh loch
lakhs lochs
last lost
laughed loft
Lens lance
Mali Molly
mask mosque
masks mosques
palm pom
palms poms
palmy pommy
passable possible
passably possibly
pasture posture
pastured postured
pastures postures
pasturing posturing
repast riposte
repasts ripostes
sahib sob
sahibs sobs
sari sorry



 

Tim

Using citation speech as a basis for a
well-designed, rational phonetic system (with a little
care and skull-sweat over the corresponding phonemes)
English could become as easy to spell as Spanish.

Note that in Spanish, two different speakers (say,
a Mexican and a Spaniard) will pronounce words with
rather extreme differences - but each is capable of
mapping that speech to essentially the same written
representation.
 

This was the idea behind Pitman's i/t/a.  In was not a pronunciation guide
until regionally defined.

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POLYVALENCE CHART

http://www.americanliteracy.com/variations.htm

 

What is REGULAR
Which ones are regular, which ones are irregular?
Some say that if its an existing pattern, then it is regular.
Some allow only the five most frequent pattern.
Others argue that there can be only one regular pattern, usually the one with the highest frequency, and all others are irregular.

 

Alphabet   

Polyvalence Chart [Start]  http://www.americanliteracy.com/variations.htm www.foolswisdom.com/~sbett/polyvalence.htm

click above for full chart

This was updated and then lost

 

cat		(a)	a /æ/ (cat)
plaid   plad		(ai)
have   hav		(a-e)
half    haf		(al)
guarantee		(ua)
laugh  laf		(au)
dahlia dalia		(ah)

play     plei	(ay)	ay /eI/ reg. spellings? a, ai-ay, ei-ey a..e (rain) (play) (veil)(seine) (they) (rate)
maelstrom	(ae)
made    meid	(a-e)
steak    steik	(ea)
rainy    reiny	(ai)
sleigh   slei	(eigh)
straight  streit	(aigh)
gauge   geij	(au-e)
making  meiking	(a)
gaol       jeil	(ao)
veiled    veild	(ei)
they	(ey)
raise     reiz	(ai-e)
plagueing  keing	(a-ue)
ballet     ballei	(et)
seine     sein	(ei-e)
matinee -nei	(ee)
dossier   dosiei	(er)
bouquet  -kei	(et)

Joe:

Drone makes me moan & groan.
I see what u'r after tho wud go with
English spelling:
User friendly?
but that's fairly mundane stuff of course.

Good one. Mundane or not,
it should be a standard slogan for jenrl use.

User fr(i)endly is a term few can argu with.

I was trying to find a slogan specific to the Bee.

Will keep thinking about it, including something around the word 'buzz'.
Eg, 'Do u get a buzz from spelling?'

Cheers
Allan

Links

The logo explains how the system works.  pictographic accents and letters.
u as in umbrella, e as in elephant, i as in pin.

Element - Elementary Dictionary Key Writing System

http://www.antimoon.com/forum/posts/4032.htm

 

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Prestige Dialect

                      pronunciation
 tradwerd       good         bad
 "kids"        ~kidz        ~kedz  
 (~i is as in "~win", ~e is as in "~bed")
 "six"         ~siks        ~seks
 "hawk"        ~hauk        ~haak (~au is as in "~auger", ~aa is as in"~Saab")
 "auto"        ~autoe       ~aatoe   (~oe is as in "~toe")
 "children"    ~childrin    ~chooldrin  (~oo is as in "~wool")
 "on"          ~aan"        ~aun
 "fog"         ~faag        ~faug
 "hog"         ~haag        ~haug
 "dog"         ~daug        ~daag
 "mother"      ~muther      ~muthu  (~u is as in "~up")
 "park"        ~paark       ~paak

Why isn't 'daag' good? Or 'haak' and 'aatoe' too for that matter.
That's how they're said here in So. CA.. What makes one pronunciation 'good' and
another 'bad' anyway? I think we should go by the easiest way to say the words.
The 'ah' sound (to me anyhow) is easier than the 'aw' - which is probably why
it's gotten so popular here..

Gus